Originally Posted by
forgot to bid
I understand.
I'm just trying to figure out how to frame an argument and the fact SWA bought out AAI and now AAI will be at SWA rates is useful.
Not to mention SWA, damnit somewhere on youtube and I can't find it to post it, made a commercial ridiculing RJ's.
Great pay and great scope and an airline that see's ticket pricing like a legacy is what is replacing AirTran here in Mecca. That's a great thing.
Just trying to leverage it so that the 88 = SWA pay and the tide lifts all boats. In one tiny way it's a framing argument for our own group.
Just ask a pilot, 30, 40, 70% pay raise? They know better. Like sailing mentioned, the opener will be 3%. They know 30-70% is unaffordable, C2K rates plus inflation won't happen, we'd lose the PR battle and go on strike and be broken... but say SWA+, all for it.
Equal pay for equal work. Humorous sexual context aside, there is something to be said for equal pay for equal work. You don't have to like it, just say it.
I hear you loud and clear. I just wanted to raise the bar up to where it should be...
Originally Posted by
DAL 88 Driver
FV,
I usually agree with you, but I don't agree with your point on this one at all. Because of their pay being so much higher, SWA is getting the top tier pilot candidates these days. They've already passed "Riddle and military training" AND a 73 type.
I agree we should be paid more than they are, but you're looking at a minimum of +50% just to match them. LM laughed at a sim instructor for suggesting we would get even +30%. There are others here who would argue the same thing. (Although those folks have become curiously quiet on the subject since SWA released their ValuTran welcome packet and the cat got out of the bag about how much more they're making than we are.)
Again, SWA pilots are a great bunch of guys. I did not state what I stated to rack on them I just simply wanted to raise the bar. Ever seen BA pilots ask for Easyjet +1 ?
Originally Posted by
paxhauler85
Easy big boy - that's a little pretentious. If you're trying to argue that you can get a job at SWA just for stumbling through a 737 type ride, you're sorely mistaken. It's a tough job to get with 10,000 hours.
Their hiring minimums are higher than Delta's as well.
No worries mate, nothing wrong with SWA pilots and no disrespect to any of them. I just feel we are playing at a different level.
......Don't manage our expectations. We all know what SWA has, they gave the Airtran pilots a welcome letter stating it. SWA +1 for the 737s. .......We made $950 million last year on bag fees. Nuff said, and the DPA card is going out today. Looks like DALPA needs to be scared into listening to their constituents. That Dalpa opener had better be good.
I thank you today, the rest of us will thank you later.