So what you guys are saying is that you would like to see an opener like the American pilots gave to management back in 2006? They really should be back in section six right now from the last contract.

Serious question for those that are currently demanding a certain rate and improvements: if we go 5 years without a new contract and NO raises during that time, are you going to be praising ALPA for sticking to the hard line?

Disclaimer: I do not do any ALPA work, I have my own opinion on a minimum pay raise and believe me, it is significant. I don't expect the union to negotiate in the public, what I expect is for them to get my money and lifestyle back.