Originally Posted by
Carl Spackler
The problem for you is: we already know how you define "accomplishing things that help the Delta pilots." Your definition of that is working within the construct of ALPA. If DPA supporters don't do that, then we are a failure by your definition. It's an example of the black hole you're hoping we step in to. It won't happen. We know it's a dead end. By now, you should know that too.
Its not a problem for me, and its not a black hole I hope for. I've never said I would not support a different organization to represent me. If there is a better option, I want to see it. DPA might just be the best answer to the issues that we face as Delta Pilots. There, I said it (and I mean it!).
The caveat to this is
I've yet to see evidence of it. No proof that they have better ideas and solutions to the problems. You display to me in specifics (none of the bullet point crud that groups and politicians use to spin things to their viewpoint), propose C&BL changes, Policy Manual improvements, force the MEC to do a neutral party study on the possibility of converting to a seniority block system(which I like, but there are things that need to be considered, whole 'nother conversation though!), force a quarterly MEC Scope Report Card publication, etc.
I want to see the DPA ideas in print, in detail and attempted to be put into practice. If that makes it partway but gets "tabled/received" whatever at the MEC level, then now you have grounds for a recall and you've shown the pilots that this alternate bargaining agent option is a credible, serious and working NOW for Delta Pilots. Recall and then replace the SOB's who won't act to improve, get guys who will do the work to fix the problems!
If I saw things like that, I'd give real credence to the idea of a new bargaining agent, but there has been nothing to date that shows me that they are serious about improvement to how my union functions, just talk and vague promises.
Originally Posted by
Carl Spackler
What a great example. Sounds exactly why so many of us are supporting the DPA. You're describing ALPA to a tee. All talk and promises, but walking away from unity every chance they get.
You're exactly right. This is a business decision. Many of us have decided that our vendor (ALPA) has long since underperformed its one-time great reputation. The vendor keeps promising, but keeps failing. Now we want to fire them. Nothing personal, strictly business.
While I don't completely agree, and there is a LOT of emotion built up in this fro some people, I think your assessment has some recent history to back it up. (On the flip side there is not very often recognition of the successes of ALPA from the DPA fans, but it's an adversarial relationship so there won't be much, if any recognition for any opposing viewpoint.)
Originally Posted by
Carl Spackler
That is a totally different premise than your previous post. I'm glad you're moderating your view on that.
I actually meant that in my first comment on the subject but it was not communicated well on my part.
Originally Posted by
Carl Spackler
I would hope that too. But some current ALPA officials have said they would never lift a finger for the DPA. Those people should never be allowed in the transition or anywhere else. Because by those statements, they've proved they work for ALPA...and not Delta pilots.
Carl
As Nu wrote on a different thread: Once you try to take an extra penny out of a pilot's paycheck, all of a sudden they have a reaction...(paraphrased)