Originally Posted by
Carl Spackler
I hope this post and the others begin to show us one thing ladies and gentlemen: We have one of the worst contracts in the industry. From trip rigs to vacation to sick leave to reserve system to low reserve guarantee, etc. It just goes on and on how truly awful our contract actually is. Higher pay rates are unimportant when you see how much time you must spend away from your family to get the same pay as others with lower pay rates.
If we're ever going to see contract improvements, we ALL have to get away from the unfounded concept that Delta is the best. That DIED in 2003. Since then, our working conditions are an embarrassment and a drag on the industry. Let's all commit to fixing it.
Carl
FIRST!
Ha ha, to quote this. I know I won't be the last.
A little introspection is always a good thing, is it not? As my preacher says, what's the common theme between you and your three divorces? You. So a look in the mirror is not a bad thing, especially if it helps you prove all 3 wives went crazy after marriage all on their own, or that you suck, either way, good to know.
So let's review and compare say Section 1, 3, 7, 11, 12, 14 and 23, can't hurt.
And this might ruffle some feathers, maybe even cause a N vs S debate again but I'm sure we can squash that pretty fast and stay on topic, no? But who knows where a little review will end up? Could be good.
So does our contract suck? Yes or No? If Yes, how much does it suck and what would the fix be?
I'd say Section 1 is pretty awful or awfully written or poorly enforced in comparison to say SWA or even RAH? The airline we should be kicking out of DCI. For instance:
Section 1.O. Permitted Arrangements Pursuant to the Alaska Marketing Agreement
3. The DL code will not be placed on AS flight segments to or from a Delta hub.
Exception one: The DL code may be placed on AS flight segments to or from LAX,
subject to Section 1 O. 2. Any such flight segments between LAX and an Alaska hub
will be included in the calculations in Section 1 O. 3. Exception two.
Exception two: The DL code may be placed on AS hub to hub flight segments, provided
that the following limitations are satisfied (measured at the end of each month on a
rolling 12 month average):
a. the ratio of the aggregate number of scheduled hub to hub flight segments of DL
bearing an AS code, to the aggregate number of scheduled hub to hub flight
segments of AS bearing a DL code, must equal or exceed 4.0, and
b. the ratio of the aggregate number of scheduled hub to hub flight segments of Delta
bearing an AS code, to the aggregate number of scheduled hub to hub flight
segments of Alaska bearing a DL code, must equal or exceed 4.0.
Note: Each requirement in Section 1 O. 3. Exception two a. and b. will be satisfied if,
with respect to such requirement, the number of scheduled flight segments of Delta or
DL, as applicable, bearing the AS code, as applicable, is no more than two average daily
scheduled flight segments below the minimum number of such flight segments specified
by such requirement. It is understood that “average daily scheduled flight segments” will
be computed with respect to the applicable rolling time period.
How about something more like, if you want this deal Alaska then all of the LAX 737 flying is done by our 737s and all of the SEA, PDX and ANC done by yours. And we sure as hell will not have AS dominating LAX-SEA with 100% of the daily flights or flying international out of LAX. Fair? I think so.
Sorry, the only pilots whose flying I'm concerned with is our own, not our greater ALPA brethren.
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Have fun, going flying and since I'm flying ATL M88 B I'll be lucky to walk into the crew room without getting beat down again. Why they do this to ATL M88 B's I don't know. The hazing, the taking off the back of my wings and pining them back on to my chest, "squeal like a pig!" and everything else I've repressed, gosh it's rough. Last time I was there I saw Jesse in the fetal position in the corner warning everyone to bid off ATL M88 B, sage advice. Hope he made it.