Originally Posted by
newKnow
Pineapple,
We all know of the external circumstances. We all know how bankruptcy sucks. We were there.
Then quit ignoring that fact, and blaming everything on ALPA.
Originally Posted by
newKnow
But, ACL was talking about a distrust that some members are feeling about what they are hearing (or, not hearing) from ALPA.
I believe it would go a long way if -- instead of you and others looking to the past to come up with reasons as to why we are where we are -- you looked to today and the future as to why we can do better and should ask for more (a lot more).
We haven't even exchanged openers or polled the pilots.
Originally Posted by
newKnow
We are paid too little, and we don't do enough of our flying. Period.
If we are where we are because of a bankruptcy that occurred, fine. Due in large part to us, the company is out of bankruptcy and it's time to secure our flying and pay. Period.
I completely agree on both accounts.
Originally Posted by
newKnow
If you and/or a few other guys would just once say, "I believe we should open with SWA pay for our 88 drivers - plus 10%, and make a big play at re-capturing 70 seat flying...."
1.) Carl (the real one) would fall out of his seat,
2.) DAL 88 would spit coffee all over his computer screen,
3.) You would be stating what a vast majority of DAL pilots believe, &
4.) The DPA would be forced to wait to pass judgment on ALPA until openers.
I believe we should open at SWA + 10% (at an absolute minimum).
I also believe we should clearly state "not one more jet, not one more seat, not one more pound" as it relates to RJs, and I'm willing to try to buy back the flying we lost in bankruptcy (reset the line to 70 seats) but not willing to buy back the flying we've never owned (70 and below).
That is all personal opinion - I'm not an elected rep, and they will be determining what our priorities are after reviewing the results of 12000 pilots input via the survey. I have absolutely zero doubt that our opener will reflect the will of the 12000 pilots because I believe in our elected reps. The ones I vote for, and the ones each pilot votes for. They control the agenda, they control the timeline, and they will control the opener.
Originally Posted by
newKnow
DALPA cannot defend itself from the DPA by attacking it or its supporters, or even rationalizing why we are where we are. DALPA can only defend itself by representing Delta pilots right now and getting a kick ass contract with SWA type payrates and iron clad scope.
I believe you have to start enunciating this ^^^^ more.
Come on. Just say something like that, just one time. Please.
Even if #4 didn't occur, wouldn't #1 be worth it to you?
I agree with everything you said. I/we are really not the enemy, and I/we want the exact same things you want.
Now its your turn. When is DPA going to stop dividing the pilot group and stand together united so that we can actually achieve these things?