Originally Posted by
Flying Ninja
Care to explain this a little more? Either you don't know how math works, or there's more to this story. Do share.
The best or the worst part of that place.. I will state the fact & U can decide...
The place is run by a few teenagers who are watching all kind of stuff on the net & playing games etc while on the desk, playing ping pong & more interested in other things than what their job is... The A/c condition is below average or acceptable condition, even if I am very liberal...
The FAA Examiner I went up with, said that
he has seen a lot of a/c in sh**ty condition but this was by far the worst he had seen .....
It Started with renting the Duchess at $195 per hour, then they said I need to pay tax, I said that it is a training flight as I going use the rental for training to do a FAA checkride & prep for checkride. Then they said in that case I need to pay for Instructor at $32 per hour or if my instructor doesn't want to charge me anything, then Instructor fee which is $8 per hour, to avoid paying Tax...
So, in other words, either pay Tax for rental or pay then half the tax to them...
Then, the renter has to pay a $5000 deductible if something happens or I need to buy renter insurance, which cost me approx $400.00 from Avemco. Believe me U need a lot more insurance than minimum.... That A/c, U are just happy to make it back on land...
U can't do any flying in
DAB because of R/W closure, so U have to go outside to do any practise.
DAB is the JFK for light singles & twins....... most of the time U are number 8 or 10 or 11 for departure...... Average time .4 to .6 from start up to take off.....
The hobbs start when U turn MASTER ON,
AirAmerica procedures say do a walk around with MASTER ON & hobbs running.....
Then, they
re-imburse only $2.70 per gallon if U buy fuel from any outside place.
Go out side to fly, so if U need to stop at a FBO, pay the Ramp fees or buy fuel or Go Back to DAB, either way, every flight $25 to $35 for Ramp fees.
I had to do a 300 NM X-C, re-postion the A/C for checkride, and do training, so had to buy the fuel. I had to buy nearly 80 gallons of fuel which I had to eat approx $3.25 to $3.50 per gallon, approx $400 total....
I flew 19 hrs & had $800 incidentals so the cost is $40 per hour + $8 tax/instructor fee + $195 for A/C = $243 per hour....
It does not end here......
U have to be back by 7:00 PM or U are subject to night charges, they say they will leave a key card to get out but forget more more than 90% of the time.......
The day I was to go for my 300 X-C & then checkride, there is no fuel in a/c, there is no fuel in their self serve Tank, I had to taxi accross the field to Sheppard Air to get Fuel..... wasted .4 on the hobbs for getting fuel... Didn't get reimbursed for the time wasted or extra cost of fuel...
I bring it to the attention of the Chief pilot & he says,
"we will not re-imburse any more than our policy, U didn't have to take the a/c if there was not enough fuel, ........ U don't have to rent it you don't like the a/c or our system ..... "
Your check ride appt doesn't mean anything to them.......
The attitude of the chief pilot describes the attitude of the place....
A lot of people will say it is not a big deal to all the things that I have mentioned above......
I am also one of the open-minded, liberal guy, who doesn't complain much, takes life as it comes & looks to the positive side of things.....
Also, I had someone say similar things to me when I was standing outside their door, but I said to myself, HOW BAD CAN IT BE, the plane is cheap & I will Manage.....
I can use a lot of adjectives for these guys but... anyways, I have seen a lot of Jerks, and, the air america guys just took the # 1 spot & I think they will stay there for a very long time.......
Do a search on this forum or google.......... U will know...
If U still decde to go there, let us know what your story is, when U are done with them......