Originally Posted by
iahflyr
I did not say that overall Delta has an industry leading contract. I was referring to Delta's pay rates (which are industry leading). This is what we were offered and I believe this is a good offer.
Smisek was offering Delta +1 as a complete package. If we take it, we get its scope as well as its pay rates. In any event, what Smisek is offering in the way of compensation isn't really what the Delta pilots received. They also got, in addition to those hourly rates, an equity stake in the company that was convertible on Day No. 1 of the contract. Jeffery conveniently leaves that part out.
CAL has industry leading scope. I think we will probably end up with UAL's scope. I think it would be too costly to try and get them to go back to 50 seat scope (seeing as how there are long term contracts for 70 seat airplanes, and every other legacy carrier is 70+). I would vote for a scope clause similar to this: All airplanes with 71 or more seats, or with a MGTOW of whatever the EMB-170 is + 1 pound will be flown by United pilots on the United seniority list.
To answer your question DaveNelson, no that was not me. I would not be in favor of that because I believe United's scope should limit regional flying to 70 seats and a MGTOW.
Obviously, you are as out of step with the rest of the pilot group's desires on scope as you are with the remainder of the inadequate Delta +1 offer. Our negotiating team included with its opener pay rates for 70-seat and 95-seat regional jets, to be flown by United pilots on the United seniority list. There are indeed provisions for phasing in that flying in recognition of present contracts.
The bottom line, IAHflyr, is that by endorsing a 70-seat SCOPE (which Smisek would not accept; he wants 95), you're endorsing the furlough of your pilot brothers and sisters. Not one lost job is acceptable to me, and to the majority of the new United's pilots.