Originally Posted by
Bill Lumberg
Where do you come up with the $0.01 extra equals a windfall? Monetarily the ATI guys are getting a windfall. That is just one aspect of the SLI and Joint Contract. They are also losing out on airframes to the SWA pilots over time. Do you suggest we are going to do the same? If so, we need to change bargaining agents RIGHT NOW and get someone in here that will protect and fight for both. That could be the DPA. SWAPA doesn't seem to have a problem fighting for everything possible, and you suggest that we might not be able to have both? I just want to make sure I know where you are coming from.......
Originally Posted by
Bill Lumberg
You contend that to get any windfall, you must give up something else (like Y for planes).
This is not my contention. This is what IS happening here because of the adamancy that the ATI guys are getting a windfall because of the payrates. The SWA FOs are getting streamlined access to those airplanes that ATI brings, and nobody seems to notice that at all. They will when this deal is done, you can bet your sweet bippy.
Originally Posted by
Bill Lumberg
Living within your means is great, especially when someone puts the impression in your head of what you and they (ALPA) can afford. If you are told you can't make more than X per year, a safe person will not spend over it. The SWA pilots (and soon the ATI pilots), OTOH, make X+ per year, and enjoy their life, flying something half the size of your plane. It's ok to dream about makin[/g more, especially when profits and fees can allow it to happen.
My post has NOTHING to do with Delta. Nothing. Your first 2 sentences (highlighted above) are interesting though. Why don't you read those again, and you tell ME at what point their payraise becomes a windfall. I don't think it IS a windfall, but I keep reading over and over that it is. So again, with that in mind why is it that with the instantaneous stapling of a good number of the ATI FOs how that is NOT a windfall for the SWA FOs? They (The ATI FOs) don't lose out over time, they lose the moment the agreement is signed. They get that big payraise, but they are locked out of an even bigger one for a long, long time.
Nobody puts into my head what I can afford. I can do third grade math. ALPA hasn't TOLD me anything. IF you are trying to turn this into some sort of ALPA bashing thread, I'm not biting on that, because that is not what this is about. I get a check, and it goes into the budget. Unlike congress, and more like a drunken sailor (contrary to the metaphor) when I have no money, I don't spend any more. Debt is what is choking America and Americans. Dreaming is fine, I want to buy a 50 foot sailboat, but until I can actually afford to do so, it is just a dream. If you are so enamored with the SWA lifestyle and payrates, I suggest you put in an application, but like the junior soon-to-be stapled ATI FOs, don't expect to see any of those really big bucks for quite some time.