Thanks to jsled for starting up another thread to keep this in the forefront; but a piece of advice to the future posters.
The last thread was shutdown because of the increasingly political content of the posts.
This is a very hard subject to converse about without letting ones personal political leanings start to flow. APC still has no avenue for such discussion. Any partisan posts will be deleted and offenders can find their ability to post curtailed.
As soon as discussion and accusations start to flow with red-vs-blue politics and throwing out names, it turns ugly.
If you are interested in that - read the papers. There are plenty of articles and other on-line sources for you to vent if required for your sanity.

USMCFLYR