Originally Posted by
Hugh Betcha
Sorry I should have used the quote feature but was replying from my phone which is frustrating at best.
It seems folks (on these forums) tend to take sides then defend their points until they get farther apart rather than work towards agreement.
That's why I called and talked to you personally. I read what was posted here with all the negative personal crap from both sides and felt it was a professional courtesy to talk to you directly. I believed you when you said these were not "Frank Bashing" sessions.
He has been a colleague, mentor, and friend for well over a decade. I will go to great lengths to defend him.
I have been to Herndon several times, own and read the Constitution and Bylaws, and carry a copy of the contract on me electronically. If I have questions about " why doesn't Article 8 apply" in any particular instance I call my reps.
Absolutely nothing personal but a 50 mile mile drive in the rain on a Sunday afternoon versus my couch, dog, TV bud light and a pizza.
Specifically we disagree on is the relative term "New Hire FO".
I also read Alan's statement "our union has become to adversarial with the company and its new management team".
We disagree on that apparently. I believe it naive at best and dangerous at worst.
Shoot, wait another year and a half the "New Management Team" will take their rightful place as junior FO's and or move on to 36th street.
No problem, nothing personal taken. I'd agree if you categorized Cole as a junior pilot, but come on man, he's been here for like 4 years. Minor point, not worth argument. Moving on,
My only objection to your original point about Alan's letter being naive is that you characterized it as "call(ing) for a more intimate relationship with management" and I disagree with that characterization. No where does he call for a more intimate relation with management. I'm not at all defending his accusation of being too adversarial. If I'd written the letter, I'd have accused them of being too close.
That's two smilie thingys there for those of you who never get any inflection from the words.