thanks for the help, we are going home in the morning unhappy. I think we have to come down yet again, and look south this time too. We just are not happy with what we get for the money, I thought being near NYC was expensive, but this sucks even more overall. Its like being in a crumhole or pay out the arse, or be REALLY far. At this point I could stay driving in/out nyc for the same overall value, I should have bid DFW haha.