Funny. The truth is if we end scope we end whipsaws. That is a nonstarter for those who run airlines anywhere. I'm sure it's not acceptable by CEOs, boards, creditors, and so on.

Here's an idea. Bar inspired, possibly something Tsquare would like.

Pay us by the CASM. Pay us 1 rate per year of longevity no matter the airplane.

I grabbed a couple of average trips and wanted to see what would happen if you paid 1 rate, could you do it and get close to current rates here at DAL? Then negotiate from there on CASM rates, not flight hours.

This is kind of like turning in a home work assignment that should've been done last night but was done in home room and I have to show my work so here is my work whether it's right or not I don't know. Don't have much time to dwell on it.

But I picked out 1 trip from each of these categories, then replaced the DC9 with E175. I figured we always fly around at .76M at Delta btw.

Is there a single CASM rate we could fly that would closely (give or take these trips aren't necessary the real averages) mirror what our current pay by the hour pay is? For these example trips I settled on around $0.29/asm.

Although you X150 mention the obvious that we do have RJ pay rates already established at DAL that rare competitive, Bar mentioned making the pay productivity based. Well pay us by the passenger mile. Smaller jets will fly more people in the same duty day as an international flight, sometimes 2.5 times the people, but the total ASM will probably be half.

So I think a CASM based pay would give Tsquare what he wants, pay not based on aircraft size, and yet allow Sailing or Slow and others who want to prevent the seniority of the airline being flipped upside down overnight to where there is no junior aircraft so therefore junior pilots have to wait years and years to even get a decent schedule on a small plane.

I don't know. I just wanted to run the numbers and see what this would look like. No agenda. Just curiosity and tinkering. Pan the idea if you want. I'm still in favor of duty hour pay, and if you could do duty hour pay. That way we could tell the Harvard folks of the world we took a big pay cut in our hourly wages (but make SWA pay) while the MIT guys crunch the numbers and determine it's a hoax and while Auburn guys enjoy watching the defending national champions play football in between watching all the hot women.

CTRL + and CTRL - will help you zoom in and out. I've saved this every which way and even made the font an ugly enormous size but by the time it all transfers the picture/table below is the same size every time. I don't know how to make it bigger other than to make it smaller sections. But I wasted enough time already.