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Old 09-04-2011 | 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Remember that every time you make a change in the contract it has unintended effects. We worked for and got a 8 hours behind the door rule in the current contract. The rule however leads to more 30 hour layovers on domestic trips and overall low time trips. I don't advocate one over the other just that you keep in mind that for every action there is a reaction. We can get longer layovers but it may come at the risk of lower time trips.
What I mean specifically is after a 5 leg day you shouldn't be on min rest or right close to it. I'm not advocating changing all overnights to a min greater than 9 or 10 hours, just ones after 5 leg days.

Here's the trip, it's still in open time (imagine that) on the 88 in ATL but it's just one of many that you see very often and sometimes the reverse, 9 hour overnight into a early start 5 leg day:

ATL-SAV. 7:10 show.
SAV-ATL.
ATL-MSY.
MSY-ATL.
ATL-SAV. 19:02 scheduled arrival.

9.08 overnight.

SAV-ATL. 5:40 wheels up and 4:40 show.
ATL-OKC. 10:39 EDT scheduled arrival in OKC.
That's a trip that would make an turboprop guy cringe. My only complaint though is about the 9.08 schedule overnight.

I think that needs to be increased to a min of 10 if not more on both sides of the trip, not just one. I'm taking into account experiences with these lousy trips during IROPS and other events where you complete all 5 legs, 8 hours behind the door, a delayed show but original go and you're right back out there.

FWIW, the trip I posted is 5+2+3 legs for a 10 leg 3-day. You can do 5+2+3 as long as day 1 has 10+ hour overnight. Otherwise, 3+4+3 which is still 10 legs is equal productivity without the compromise in safety.

That's all, Part 135 min rest requirements for 5 leg days or scrap them all together.

Originally Posted by Columbia
9 hours a long overnight? Good luck getting 8 hours behind the door with that one. Doubt SWA has many such short overnights.
You're right, chances are you won't pull off 8 hours behind the door after a 5 leg day. But sometimes you come close.

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