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Old 09-21-2011 | 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid

I say jobs.

Say Delta is fine with status quo, but if you sign off on a b scale they'll order e190s and let's say that was 100% accurate verifie by DALPA, DPA, Embraer, the BOD, ESPN and Carl Spackler. B scale and E190s, no b scale and status quo. Which of those two would you pick?

Let me put it this way, pay or jobs?
I see what you are getting at here, but for the E190 (or equivalent) JB pay scales are the absolute floor in C12K. OK that means contract 12,000 as someone pointed out, but C12 just sounds lame without the K Anyway if we can't profitably operate them here at non union cost slasher ultra low JB rates (as an absolute negotating room floor) then we shouldn't have them. Not to mention the E190 isn't a 100 seater unless you run it all coach, which we wouldn't. We don't even like all coach CRJ-700's anymore. So the E190 is more of a 90 seater anyway.

Sidebar: even the 717, which we call a 117 seater, would seat more in all coach. OTOH they used to be 80 seaters at MidWest airlines.

Anyway: I think where you meant to go with this was that if it came down to status quo on today's outsourcing of the 76 and under seat range, could we rationalize a B scale to get that back, if it was the only way to do so?

Yes. B scales suck, but they suck less than outsourcing. That does not mean you are "advocating" a B scale. It merely means you are willing to accept it to get the work back if that was the only way to get it back.