Originally Posted by gloopy

It couldn't have been ignorance. The "separate certificate trick" has been a pilot issue for a long time and even a DCI issue going back to at least 2004 with Independance Air. Mesa and Republic pilots got contractual protections against the separate certificate trick for their own holding companies a while ago. Yet our lawyers "missed" that? They missed the same trick with RAH that the RAH pilot group already had in their own contracts? Really? How is it reasonable to believe that "mistake" wasn't intentional?

Not a chance. That was no oversight, it was intentional. When finally cornered into admitting the extremely obvious (which some will try to deny) they will eventually morph into chaff popping arguements like "yeah, well, sure, but see we had to do it because of the DCI wholly owned airlines..." despite the fact that it is a separate issue entirely.

If XYZ airlines flies non permitted aircraft anywhere in their corporate structure or holding company they either need our permission on a case by case basis to do so, or else they must park them immediately unless those planes are flown by DL seniority list pilots IAW the DL pilot PWA. That doesn't mean we have to merge with the wholly owned airline(s) any more than we would have to merge with RAH. That is not a merger issue, it is a "you violated our language that was so elementary that several regionals already have said language...OR you are parked and can't fly for us anymore". Its not very complicated.

We aren't done with this issue either. When Jerry "the ego" Atkins tries his desperate manifest destiny pipe dream of running a real airline and whizzes through his billion dollars of fee for departure guaranteed profit easy money, we had better have langauge to pull the plug and let him drown rather than subsidizing him and his "ace dealers" who will limbo pretty low to help their little "start up" make it.