Ok, show that data first. No one can seem to get a straight answer our of them. I have a KLM friend that is a Capt that is making in the range of 194 euros an hour plus better per diem, better vacation and line construction etc.

Second, we are not just talking about pay, but their benefits, vacation etc. Do not forget that the have significant government subsidized retirement and medical which we do not have. They start with six weeks of vacation, etc. Apples to apples. We need to look at the cost of each pilot to the corporation, not just pilot take home pay. Total cost and then look at what we have and then assign a value to what they get that they do not have to pay for.