Originally Posted by
acl65pilot
Ok, show that data first. No one can seem to get a straight answer our of them. I have a KLM friend that is a Capt that is making in the range of 194 euros an hour plus better per diem, better vacation and line construction etc.
Second, we are not just talking about pay, but their benefits, vacation etc. Do not forget that the have significant government subsidized retirement and medical which we do not have. They start with six weeks of vacation, etc. Apples to apples. We need to look at the cost of each pilot to the corporation, not just pilot take home pay. Total cost and then look at what we have and then assign a value to what they get that they do not have to pay for.
Exactly. What is relevant to us is their pilot costs. No one cares what the take home pay for a euro-weenie is, that's their problem. Since management will squeal that high pilot costs will make us uncompetitive if we can show that management has no problem dumping more money than we are asking in pilot (and other costs, likely across the entire board...except maybe executive costs...) then they lose that arguement as well as general credibility in front of the mediator.