I am around 5500ish on the list and as of Sep 1, 508 guys have left since the merger and 374 of them were senior to me. Carl's numbers are a little high but I get his drift. I know that projection numbers were changed for the north side as a result of the merger and the list but also were a lot else. The balance of all the factors is different for every person as their situation is specific to them and them alone.