I don't think you understand what I'm getting at, Carl. The plug and pull guys were all senior to me. Of the guys leaving early, less than a fourth of them are senior to me.

In other words, less than half of the pull and plug guys have left early.

Regarding "Most all of them were PMNW", I'm researching the exact numbers, but I recall it was about 3/4ths PMNW and 1/4th PMDL. Many on both sides were surprisingly junior.

During the first buyout, a good friend of mine-- PMDL-- took the offer, and retired. He was one of many PMDL guys who did so, and was among the most senior south guys to take the package. He was hired in 1997.