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Old 10-04-2011 | 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Fly4hire
This is populist drivel. On a very superficial level I can understand the appeal of the negative view of NDA's, especially if you completely distrust everything ALPA does as well as the people who volunteer, but as with most things the reality is far more in-depth, complex, and shades of gray.
It has nothing to do with trusting or distrusting ALPA. It has to do with distrusting management. The fact that you and union insiders like slowplay don't understand how you get used as mouthpieces for management is troubling.

Originally Posted by Fly4hire
I suggest you call your Reps, past or present, and they can give you numerous historical examples of where the NDA has given this pilot group advantages they would not have had otherwise. Being privy to corporate intel and plans ahead of the market and your competitors does not make you "in bed" with them. There are numerous times our interests align, just as there are numerous times they do not. Being opportunistic when they do to our collective advantage is bad how?
I don't need to call past or present reps to understand how wrong your statements are. When our interests align with management, all the information should be given out to the pilots so that we can all decide if our interests really align. Thus no NDA is needed. If our interests don't align, probabilities are high that management will lie to our leaders in order to gain advantage. Since that info is a lie, we again don't need an NDA because we have no need to see lies...secretly or publicly.

Originally Posted by Fly4hire
If you want to believe in grassy knolls behind every ALPA action there is no hope in a logical discussion.
We probably can't have a logical discussion with you because you use terms like "grassy knolls." I see that kind of BS with a lot of DALPA communications lately - including adding Dilbert cartoons referencing rumors and name calling DPA supporters. This is generally what is done by people who have a **** poor record and no ability to persuade people any other way. It can be a useful tactic, because nobody likes to be thought of as crazy or a flat earther. But I think most people see through it and see how weak the position of the "grassy knoll" guy really is.

Carl