Originally Posted by
ATCsaidDoWhat
....first contracts are the hardest. And that they either end up being pay OR work rules focused. It usually takes the second contract to close all the loopholes and get both.
So IBT doesn't have
any airlines flying large jets that are on their second contract? I thought you guys were claiming that IBT had substantial experience with representing airlines flying such airplanes, which to me would mean going through more than one round of contract negotiations with at least ONE airline.
Originally Posted by
ATCsaidDoWhat
The rest of the story now leaks out. For all the yammering by RPC, F9, Fault and others, the fact is that they have been actively telling people not to join the union. They FORGOT to tell them that if you don't join, you don't get a right to vote or hold office.
False on both counts. FAPA has specifically said that they won't make a recommendation. They have also explicitly said that if you aren't a member, you can't vote or run for office.
This seems to be an IBT habit - they just make stuff up, and if you they it long enough, they expect people to believe it. To be fair though, I guess it worked for them when they snowed you into thinking that you were better off sticking with the same union that signed off on a 4 year, $37 max pay scale for FO's, and doesn't have an IBT airline contract out there that is on par with the FAPA contract (our second one).
Originally Posted by
ATCsaidDoWhat
Actions DO speak louder than words. Your actions have been focused on doing everything possible to keep F9 pilots from getting involved and having a voice. And then complain because you don't have a voice.
So tell us...have YOU joined?
We do have a voice. What we're lacking is representation. That is the main reason that people aren't joining. Another reason I hear is the history of crooked dealings at the IBT. What would I gain by joining? If IBT isn't willing to represent us with regards to LOA67
when they have a legal obligation to do so, why would merely joining IBT change that? If we can't have any F9 representatives on the EXCO, what do we gain by having a vote? If an RAH pilot runs on a platform of representing the Frontier pilots (which by definition comes in large part at the detriment of the RAH pilots), why would the 2000 pilots at RAH vote for him/her?