Originally Posted by
Probe
Gettinbumped;
You misspoke on one big item. Nobody, NOBODY, stole anything from us in bankruptcy. We voluntarily gave it up, under the recommendation of our ALPA leadership, which includes every @#$%ing knucklehead that is currently running UAL ALPA, on both sides of the current dogfight. But, as individuals, we each cast a vote. And every giveaway in bankruptcy was voluntary, as a huge majority voted "yes".
The reason you are all (sorry, I left) in this predicament is you don't have the cajones to stand up for yourselves. You talk big on this forum, but when push comes to shove, and your jobs are on the line, you capitulated. Every time.
My recommendation? A Saddam or Hitler style "purge". Vote every single current member of your LEC out, and direct them to vote every single MEC member out. All of them. Not a single one, no matter how "nice", or charismatic. Gone. Only then will you effect change.
A fresh start.
Maybe then, someday, my 4100 seniority number will be worth coming back to. Right now, I would rather flip burgers at Micky D's than work at UAL.
I understand the frustration, and I'm tremendously sorry about the furlough. I also agree with your assessment of the way the MEC is behaving, AND your assertion that we got railroaded in Ch11.
Where we differ in opinion is what the proper course of action in Ch11 was. Many, in hindsight, say we should have voted NO to the POS contract in front of us. CLEARLY we gave more than we needed to, or should have, and Whiteford and his gang earned the vitriol they hear about themselves for the way they acted. However, I remember the 1113c contract management was asking the judge for. It had ZERO scope, way worse pay, FAR workrules, and no retirement. Would the judge have approved it? Probably depends on how convincing the UAL lawyers were, but if they claimed they needed it for the company to survive, I suspect the judge just might have given it to them. If you think life at UAL stinks now, imagine what it would have looked like under THAT contract. Worth risking it? I dunno, but the majority of pilots didn't think so. I hope that we can once again make UAL a place that you want to return to