Originally Posted by
forgot to bid
That's where scope comes in.
To Carl's point IF the offer was SWA+5% and we refuse to budge and Delta and/or the NMB claim we didn't make any movement and we're not in good faith we can remind them that if scope doesn't move in our favor the offer is overly generous in relation to our peers at SWA and FedEx.
Which brings up another question, do we fight to get the 76 seaters back? How long (gloopy, alpa guys, george, bar) do the 76 seaters remain viable and how much do you give up now to replace something the company may not want if they're not financially viable for the next 5-10 years?
50 seat scope recapture is free in proportion to the amounts being parked anyway. Its our flying to begin with, the company doesn't want to outsource a large percentage of that segment anymore, so them "putting a price on it" when SWA allows zero would be a pretty hostile non NMB friendly tactic.
76 seaters have to go. SWA allows zero. These can go on day one by pulling seats. For each of the 6 seats management squeals over, we can squeal over the other 70.
As for 70 (and 65) seaters they need to be phased out as contracts expire unless the company does something hostile like signing ultra long term agreements in the interim, in which case the company needs to eat those agreements. Contrary to legend and lore, they aren't really that expensive to break as most merely say that if we break them, we have to take over the payments on the metal...the same payments we are making for them in the first place. That's what happened when we fired ACA (before we bribed Mesa to take over the payments for us, even though we then paid them 100% of the cost to do so) and is standard in every DCI agreement I've seen.
I think in 5-10 years the company will still want hundreds of 70-76 seaters. And they would LOVE one gauge up, which we can give them no problem, in unlimited numbers with no route or weight restrictions...as long as we fly them on our list under our contract like everything else.
If anything currenntly being outsourced isn't "viable" then we really need to get that scope back while its not beneficial to outsource to begin with. SWA plus reasonable premiums includes scope so any outsourcing (after across the board significant reductions) the company wishes to continue to keep will cost them very significant additional premiums. If they want to keep 50 or 70 seat outsourcing that they don't think is viable and plan on parking anyway, let them pay us to allow it (after massive reductions in either case of course).
That way they can bargain with themselves.