Originally Posted by
ATCsaidDoWhat
In regards to FAPA; personally I have a problem with any group that goes out and tries to back door a deal to cut someone elses throat or career as they did with their SLI proposal, and then stand there and wrap themselves in the flag while trashing the pilots of the airline that bought them. They conveniently forget that F9 was in the can through no fault of the RAH pilots. If they had the money then THEY should have bought the airline. But they didn't, BB bought it and he's no saint. So they (no all, but many) have taken to trashing the pilots and the IBT to cover up the shortcomings of their own leadership's actions. Actions that were designed to carve out a special deal and instead set a new, lower bar for management to point at and tell everyone else and point to that as the "new industry standard."
My apologies for the thread drift here but the above post is so wildly innacurate it needed to be addressed.
What are you talking about when you claim that a "back door a deal to cut someone elses throat or career as they did with their SLI proposal"?
I believe you are talking about LOA 67 when you refer to a "back door" deal, but that had nothing to do with the SLI. LOA 67 was negotiated while FAPA was still the bargaining agent for the Frontier Pilot, so there was nothing "back door" about it. In fact, when I was in Indy negotiating LOA 67 I personally sat down with four members of the Local 357 Exco at the hotel and chatted with them regarding the LOA negotiations.
Did you see FAPA's FIRST SLI proposal? How about the amended proposal? Have you read NWA/DAL and USA/AWA? Category and Class was the standard used for both SLI's and that is the standard we used for our proposal. Narrow Body CA's integrate with Narrow Body CA's, NB FO's integrate with NB FO's, Large RJ CA's integrate with Large RJ CA's, Small RJ CA's integrate with small RJ CA's, and so on down the line.
Did you see YX's FIRST proposal? How about their amended proposal?
I have no idea what you are talking about with the following statement,
"Actions that were designed to carve out a special deal and instead set a new, lower bar for management to point at and tell everyone else and point to that as the "new industry standard"
Special deal? Lower the bar?
Our Airbus pay rates remain untouched, and still fall within the middle of the pack of current Airbus 320 operators. Lower than some but higher than others. How is that lowering the bar?
Do you know that RAH approached FAPA with 190 pay rates, and we told them "no thanks". How is that lowering the bar?
I still have a picture of the white board with the 190 pay rates. I can't wait to see the 190 rates that the Local 357 acheives during mediation. I really hope they are A LOT more than what the company offered FAPA. We could have easily accepted the 190 rates and cut the legs right out from the Local 357 pilot group. No FAPA pilot will ever see the 190 as it is not fenced off. FAPA walked away from the rates because it was the right thing to do.
So, how EXACTLY have we lowered the bar?
(Sorry again for thread drift, good luck to the gents at Omni)