Originally Posted by Scoop

Gloopy,

I disagree with you here. You do not value PS passes - OK no worries, but we have 12,000 Pilots that all have different priorities. I personally would love some PS vacation Passes. Why not ask for all of it? Why do positive space passes have to come at the expense of pay, work-rules, scope etc? And no, I am not willing to give up pay to get them - but some guys might.

Are they on top of my list? No, but personally they are currently more valuable to me then the DAL health care plan, commuting policies, and a bunch of other things that I don't use, and even though I don't currently use these items I do realize that they are far more important to the Pilot group as a whole.

Lets not disparage the things that we don't personally value but lets complete the survey - find out what most guys value - and then go after that.

And finally, screw the whole "Pie" analogy - we need a bigger pie!

Scoop

Originally Posted by flyallnite

I wanted to credit gloopy for shedding light on a very, very profound and disturbing reality. One that I intend to express directly to Mr Anderson if and when I am given the chance.

That for the typical pilot, family of four or five, to be able to purchase tickets to travel on Delta would very likely break the bank for most of us. How many of us (with families to support) have a couple of grand lying around any more?

Mr. Anderson et al: WE CAN'T AFFORD THE PRODUCT WE PRODUCE!

That is fundamentally wrong. Morally wrong. Our pay is not commensurate with our responsibilities, our sacrifices, nor our contribution to the bottom line. Time to pay us what we are WORTH, my friends.