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WEACLRS
No. You may not log pilot-in-command time until you complete IOE, including your FED ride, and then sign for the aircraft on your first line flight.
Part 61.51(e)(1) does not apply to ATP's. To quote the regulation...
"61.51 Pilot logbooks...(e)
Logging pilot-in-command flight time (1) A
sport, recreational, private, or commercial pilot may log pilot-in-command time only...". The is no ATP listed in 61.51(e)(1). Once you obtain an ATP, part 61.51(e)(1) no longer applies to you. You may no longer log "sole manipulator" PIC time under this regulation for any aircraft ever again. The purpose of this regulation was to allow you to log required PIC flight time toward certificates and ratings, to build experience under the watchful eye of a more seasoned pilot. Once you reach an ATP, that purpose has been achieved.
Under 61.51(e)(2) an ATP may log PIC time while acting as PIC of an operation requiring an ATP certificate. However, this "PIC" is defined in Part 1.1 under
Pilot in command. He's the guy who's ultimately responsible.
If you have a check airman in the right seat and he signs the paper work, he's the PIC. And if you screw the approach up enough he'll be happy to inform you of that fact by stating rather loudly, "My Aircraft!"
(4) 250 hours of flight time in an airplane as a pilot in command, or as second in command performing the duties of pilot in command while under the supervision of a pilot in command, or any combination thereof, which includes at least—
I believe you can log PIC. This is just a section of part 61 for aeronautical experience required for an ATP. This basically describes the exact same situation that IOE is. If you are performing the duties of PIC why not log PIC? It counts toward your certificates it should count in your log book. If you are performing the duties of PIC and the definition of a PIC has final authority then you would have final authority until the supervising pilot feels then need to intervene. "performing the duties of PIC", like I said, final authority is a PIC duty and you are performing it under supervision.
I should add that if you are not performing all the duties of PIC during supervision then I wouldn't log it as PIC...such as signing the paperwork.