Originally Posted by
USMCFLYR
I work with a lot of former FSDOs in my current job and I've asked them a few times since seeing this on the forums about failing, records, reasons, etc.... Every one of them says that unless an applicant almost killed them doing something wrong that they don't fail on a single item - especially one that could be contested such as a recommended practice right out of the POH. Personally I think it would be a poor debrief if a DPE wouldn't sit down with you after a bust and debrief you in *detail* exactly what you did wrong. I know it is a different environment, but if I ever failed anyone on a flight then it was well debriefed and documented because the paperwork and reasons were scrutinized for validity. Even when listening to students discussion the flight or the outcome it seemed to be a little more narrow in focus than the actual flight/sim.
USMCFLYR
True on all points. One of the sad realities of the civilian world is that DE's are ALSO business men, and in business time is money. I can't tell you how many times when I was either taking a check ride, or at the airport and check rides were being given that this was apparent. In the summer, some guys are cranking out as many a 4 rides in a single day, in the winter 3. Doesn't matter if it's a pass or a fail, but that doesn't seem like much time to be spending on each individual applicant to cover all the thumbs up/thumbs down items, as well as all the standard collateral learning that takes place on a ride.
There was on one DE in my area that was being a little bit TOO mercenary in his practices, and it caught up to him. And worse, it affected the careers of some of the people he certified. Although they wouldn't find out till later in their careers.
Originally Posted by
jdalbrec
I would definitely agree. I'm actually surprised that the second regional took him. I thought if you washed out of a 121 training program that was the 'black mark' - so to speak.
Before 3407, hardly. In the wake of 3407, more and more so.