Originally Posted by
captscott26
I'd take our work rules over any other airline any day, including the "great" Delta. Once you give away scope and work rules, you never get them back. You folks gave those away years ago, and we negotiated against that. Now you have the nerve to accuse us of hindering your negotiating position! PLEASE! You have 12k pilots, we have 500. Go take your whining over to the Virgin America thread.
I don't believe you will have much impact on future negotiations at Delta.
Some of the statements are however incorrect. Delta unlike many airlines in chapter 11 managed to maintain almost every work rule.
We kept 1 for 2 and 1 for 1.75 on backside flying. We kept 1 for 3.5 duty rigs and the 5:15 DPA as well as almost all the other smaller work rules like requiring 2 Captains on over 12 flying and not allowing cruise pilots. I can go on and on but few if any work rules were given up.
In addition Delta pilots did not give up their retirement. This is again a post that is factually incorrect. They agreed to the termination of the current retirement plan in exchange for a 650 million dollar note, Uncontested transfer and payment of a MPP funds to the pilots, PBGC money, stock and a ongoing DC plan that effective 1 Jan 12 pays 14 percent into each pilots retirement fund.
I was one of the dead zoners who had the most to lose in retirement. I would not trade my new retirement plan to go back to the old plan. I am entirely divorced from Delta. Its all in my name now. I should end up in the 70 to 80 percent range from what the DB plan would have paid. Yes it was reduced but we did not give up the retirement. We traded it for a new plan and much more certain outcome.