Originally Posted by
soon2bfo
DAL and UAL have been squeezing us over OOOI times for a while now. They have been tasking people to watch us when we actually make it out, and when we call for the push, and comparing all of the connection/express carriers. I have heard rumors of correlating wheel movement but that has not come to fruition yet. The stink of it is that we
are working when the aircraft is fully loaded, waiting for ground to let us push. If there is an emergency we will be held accountable. Our ratings will be at risk, and we will have to answer for all of our actions with the aircraft. The fact that we haven't been allowed to push yet is total garbage. A 30 minute gate hold for deice and we will be back and forth talking to company, deice, and the pax -working. Take it from the perspective of the FA's too. They're doing their announcements and serving first class, yet they aren't getting paid for any of that. This kind of thing needs to stop right now. When you are using my rating, the rating that I paid for and I earned, you pay me. You hired me for the rating, when it is in the balance I should get paid.
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Amen brother! Should be part of 121 regs if you ask me. Something to the effect of "A working pilot's certificate shall be free from jeopardy if said pilot is not on the clock". Period. You're gonna leave me holding the bag, then you better be effing paying me!
And for the record, at XJT OUT is based on all doors closed and brake off. IN for DOT is based on first door open (usually bag door) and for pay it is based on main cabin door open. Sometimes the company (UAL/CAL?) have been known to block crews back in if they don't push within a few minutes of OUT time.