Originally Posted by
ATCsaidDoWhat
Your post is fascinating. You claim to not "like" Hoffa, Bourne, et. al., yet it's obvious from your post that you have no concept of how Bourne worked as a leader for the pilots of Atlas. He must have been at least a marginally good leader; he got elected to three consecutive terms as their MEC Chairman. He also got them through a bankruptcy without losing one penny in their contract and GOT them back their profit sharing and stock options, along with other things.
No givebacks...no concessions. And they have averaged over 11% profit sharing annually since then. He must have had a lousy relationship with management as well. They got a seat on the secured creditors committee and had a hand in selecting the new management team. He was also successful in convincing their management to close an alter ego subsidiary in the U.K. that had siphoned off flying and brought the jobs back to the U.S.
Now I will agree with you on one thing. They don't seem inclined to give you everything you have demanded. Your post is filled with "if they just gave us this," and "we want that" and "we don't care about the rules, we want..." It doesn't seem to matter that you got bought out of bankruptcy a few steps away from not having a job, or that you lost the representation election. You want what you want when you want it.
Even though you have lost at every turn, you demand your way or else.
Perhaps they are not being as "nice" to you as you feel entitled to. Or not as "respected" as you feel you are entitled to.
Perhaps...had you not left them and the neutral waiting 4 hours for you to decide to show up for the meeting...perhaps...well, you made your intentions clear.
And so far, you've done nothing to indicate otherwise. You seem intent on holding your breath until everyone else turns blue and you get your way.
It sure looks like no sees a need to stop you.
You didn't
read my post. There's too many things you slanted to meet your personal perceptions. There's nothing anyone can say, no matter how detailed, reasonable or neutral that will affect your off kilter view of the world.
You're not worth the time or effort to respond too. I appreciate you consistency. Sadly, I have to respond to a couple of your most outrageous statements. I'll follow it with a more reasoned and complete response.
Just one tiny example - I didn't say I didn't like Jimmy, Int'l dude, David Bourne, the MEA traitor or Turner, I said I and FAPA don't like their way of doing business, confusing I know. I've had a ton of people in Management I didn't agree with and fought hard with, but still liked and respected, it's called being professional and recognizing everyone has their job to do. You leave it at the table.
If you're invited to sit at the adult's table, try to act like one for just a little while. Then you can go back to being a petulant child.
You seem to wake up in the middle of a conversation and honor us with your extremely helpful, positive, half @**ed opinion. Read a little more, spout off a little less (just a suggestion - I know it won't affect your behavior)
We were talking about how we all might one day work together, you bring nothing to the conversation. Enjoy your steady income while you put pilots on the street to bolster the image of your union.
Your attitude is the one that the IBT goons promote, in spite of their member's willingness to work towards a positive outcome.
The point, that you will never get, is that for any two groups or individuals to reach an agreement or establish a healthy relationship, both groups have to give a bit, show each other the benefits of that relationship and LISTEN. I've never seen a successful relationship, professionally or personally, work when one entity says, "my way or the highway."
Crawl back into your confrontational, adversarial and hateful hole. BTW, how many times have you been married or in a committed domestic relationship?
And for the reasonable, interested RAH IBT members, is this really one of the people you want representing your interests?
You're still struggling with that quote thingy aren't you or are you just too lazy or you don't respect anyone enough to break down your responses so that they address actual issues in a readable fashion?
I'm pretty sure I know the answer, but
did you ever read LOA 67? Really guys this is the type of person you want to lead (he doesn't lead but represents poorly) your union?