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Old 12-02-2011 | 11:47 AM
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From: Boeing Hearing and Ergonomics Lab Rat, Night Shift
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Originally Posted by FlyZ
In light of these numbers, I'll repost this math. The company can shrink/outsource 200 jobs/year without even trying. We ABSOLUTELY need to recover scope in this next contract. Anyone who is interested in moving up on the seniority list needs to vote NO to a status-quo Section 1.

One scenario: company gives another little bit of flying to AS. ALPA and MGT: it's nothing, just .5% of our flying and plus it helps us make money. Company finds a way to end around the AF JV restrictions. DALPA and MGT: don't worry, they are only out of compliance by 1%...we will give them a break for now because we are actually making money. Company pulls back flying by another 1% YOY like in this AE. ALPA and MGT: well we have to do this. This is a bad economy and look how high fuel prices are. Company replaces a few more 88/90 routes with the big RJs they already have. ALPA and MGT: don't be concerned, it's only .5% of our flying, and plus look at all the 50 seaters we are parking!

Well, none of those sound too horrible, but add up those block hour cuts. 12,000 x (.5% + 1% + 1% + .5%) = 360 pilots not needed in a year. And how many retirements do we have coming, on average? I bet a the next 5+ years (maybe even 10) would average to around 360. So I don't put too much stock in the consolation "it'll happen soon enough, and once they start hiring they won't be able to stop."

"Show me the money" is great, but you damn well better show me an iron-clad scope wallet to put that money in. We gained a little stock in the merger, but I guarantee we lost much, much more than that in $ and in QOL as we have stagnated and slipped backwards.
Great post!

Sad thing is, your numbers are off...

For the current compliance period we are 8-9% below AFKLM/AZ and projected to stay that way next year. The PWA requirement for 50% won't kick in till 2014. We might just come into compliance in a few years by having AFKLM/AZ shrink.

With MOU14 we got promised something in the future (50% flying in 2014) and gave up our present rights (no ability to enforce a production balance from April 2011 to March 2014)

Ironically the dysfunctional family over at airways actually has a capacity floor for flying and the company can't cut anymore...

I happen to think we can do better, that shouldn't be a controversial thought, that should be the mission objective!

Cheers
George

P.S. I'll use your math
10,000 Delta pilots (cause we keep getting smaller)
Delta capacity in EASKs is 8-9% below AFKLM/AZ's
Makes for 800-900 pilots, no big deal, right!

Last edited by georgetg; 12-02-2011 at 11:54 AM. Reason: Added math