Originally Posted by tsquare

Admittedly, I do not know enough about how the JVs work to offer an intelligent opinion as to their validity or value to DAL pilots. I DO know that I have seen nothing but retraction in NY since August, and not in small numbers. As to how it affects the rest of the company I have no real idea.

I think a lot of this just might be by design. I know that I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I am not drooling on myself either and I speak and read English (my FAA license says so) So why is this language of such complexity that a college educated guy like myself has to go to law school to understand it? Precisely so that those that DO understand it can manipulate those of us that don't. But here is where common sense just might be applicable: I see shrinkage in NY of copious amounts. I see little return. Therefore, IMHO these agreements are not working for the betterment of the DAL pilots. I think it really IS that simple. 2 CDG routes do not make up for the loss in September of 9 international destinations from NYC, and you would be hard pressed to convince me otherwise. So... all you that are convinced that these JVs are helping us out.. tell me what it is that we got for all that international flying that DAL has cancelled... I wait with bated breath...