Juice, Thanks for calling him out with the flight numbers.

interesting to me that the NTSB actually states the FAA rules contributed to pncl 4712.

"Contributing to the accident were 1) the Federal Aviation Administration pilot flight and duty time regulations that permitted the pilots’ long, demanding duty day"

And this in 3701:

"The combination of high altitude and low speed once again triggered the Bombardier's stall warning system. First, "stick shakers" rattled the control columns and disengaged the autopilot to alert the crew of an imminent stall. When the crew didn't lower the plane's nose to gain speed, "stick pushers" forced the control columns forward. The flight data recorder shows that Rhodes and Cesarz overrode the stick pushers three times and forced the plane's nose back up."

I gotta say there is something more than just an isolated incident when colgan, pinnacle, and airfrance all do the same thing. and Im sure there are and will be more.....