Originally Posted by ShyGuy

4712 was the TVC overrun, short icy runway. Hardly qualifies as a industry tarnishing event. That happens at majors too. 3701 was immature idiots going on a joyride flight, knowing they had no pax on board. Would not have happened if they did have passengers. Their tone from the beginning was set because of the fact they had no passengers, so they wanted to push the boundaries. This event didn't get that much media coverage because no passengers died.

Colgan's crash tarnished the industry because of how simply the error was, how simple the recovery was, and how badly they screwed it up. The nail in the coffin was the person responsible for the safety of everyone onboard, was a liar by lying about his previous failures. Had he disclosed his 3 checkride failures to an airline, he wouldn't have beent here that night, and the accident could have been averted. He lied to get to where he was, and that's what has the media tearing this case apart. This is also why regionals (and some majors like Spirit and Atlas) are not touching guys with multiple checkride failures. If you failed one, ok, but if you failed two or more, good luck to you!

Regionals have had plenty of crashes in the past, but this one really was the turning point. Now they know about multiple checkride failures, about pilots who lie about them, about stall training, and about crappy regionals that put money ahead of safety. And please don't say rest issues. This was their first operating flight of the day. The main reason they were tired is because they chose to commute through the night, which resulted in tiredness and fatigue through the day. The real solution here would be to ban overnight commuting. How the hell can you be ready for a 16 hr duty day when you *** has been commuting throughout the country the whole night before? There's no way. Also, one was clearly sick, but too financially poor to call in sick. That is an industry problem and a pilot problem.