Originally Posted by
Short Bus Drive
Did you open the link I provided, and read it?
Yes sir, sure did. I was simply relating my experience, as well as others. From 2000 till 2010, at two separate companies, the "training" was the same. Interestingly enough, the overall training styles at those two companies were different. The first from 2000-2005 was AQP and very big picture. The most recent is just finally staring to transition to AQP. Last year when I took a PC was the FIRST time that there was new stall scenarios given. They also went from a graded item to simply traning. That was in 2010, the same year that's dated on the document of the link you provided.
Originally Posted by
KC10 FATboy
And the plot thickens ...
It looks like it wasn't an FAA problem, but more of an airline interpretation problem. My issue is, why wasn't this caught by the inspectors or check airman certifying these programs?
Good point. The oversight/regulatory agency that signs off on, approves, and observes these training programs has to share the accountability with the airlines themselves. When the POI or the feds sit in on training session, PC, type ride, whatever, they can't stick they're head in the sand and say they didn't know what was going on.
Originally Posted by
USMCFLYR
Of course not.......it is always easier to rant about the gov't in general.
USMCFLYR
See above. Enough accountability to go around.
Originally Posted by
Std Deviation
Also on the bust category is not setting up the stall properly - this ranges from Private to ATP PTS. Lemme get this straight... if I don't set up the stall properly- the one I'm never going to let the aircraft get into to begin with - you're going to give me the pink slip?
EXACTLY what I was getting at. The pure stupidity of having the maneuver graded on how you got into it in the first place. Almost everything you do on a standard PC you have the potential to see on a line flight. EXCEPT purposely entering a stall and doing a steep turn. Seriously, I'm going to go out a do a steep turn? That somehow is a measure of a pilot's ability to control an aircraft and be a safe pilot?
Originally Posted by
Airhoss
Several years later I was told by a modern style instructor that my stall entries and recoveries were dangerous. The first time I ever witnessed a transport style entry and recovery I was thinking this is a great instrument scan exercise but it's got nothing to do with an actual aerodynamic stall series.
That's about all is. NOTHING more than a scan exercise. With maybe some slow flight practice thrown in there before the break.