Originally Posted by
shiznit
Meet and confer conversation:
ASA/CMR/CPZ guys: "We object to your cutting of permitted outsourced feed, our guys will get furloughed."
DAL NC guys: "Thanks for telling us. Duly noted, but we don't care, it's what our pilots want and we are the exclusive bargaining agent with Delta Air Lines, no one else can legally change that. We do have a preferential hiring agreement for ALPA carriers, so you will the ability to interview at Delta as we transfer the flying back to mainline, and you'll make more and more days off too!"
ASA/CMR/CPZ: "But we strenuously object."
DAL NC guys: "Oh. Well, if you strenuously object then we should take some time to reconsider."
DAL NC guys: "Yeah, we're going to rein in permitted types, deal with it. Thanks for coming to the meeting."
Interesting guess on your part, but the truth is that we'll NEVER know. The meetings will not be recorded or transcripted, and we Delta pilots will NEVER know what was said in those meetings that dealt with OUR opener regarding Scope.
Originally Posted by
shiznit
Comair/ASA/Compass have no ability to enforce their will on the Delta Pilots in any way, shape or form . That meet/confer language protects mainline scope.
Totally incorrect. The policy manual changes are the result of a lawsuit. That lawsuit claimed ALPA was hurting regional scope by protecting mainline scope. The meet/confer language is there to protect EVERYONE'S Scope...which is of course impossible...which is of course the textbook definition of a conflict of interest.
Originally Posted by
shiznit
Can you reference any instance where ALPA has intervened in the interest of a feeder airline rather than upholding the mainline pilot group interest?
Since the Ford-Cooksey settlement, this is going to be the first instance that I'm aware of. But since the meetings and Moak's actions will NOT be recoreded in any way, we'll never know what went on and to what extent the ALPA president and our regional competitors influenced our Scope opener.
As I mentioned earlier to acl, we do have one powerful tool remaining. And that is to vote NO on the TA if it doesn't reign in Scope. It will be tough because ALPA will pull out all the stops with scare tactics like you've never believed possible, but it's the one tool that scares them the most. Especially with another union waiting in the wings.
Carl