Originally Posted by
Carl Spackler
Absolutely incorrect. If we don't agree with our regional competitors on what is in OUR scope opener, the ALPA president becomes directly involved. All of it completely hidden from us. All of it. That's what the language says.
That is pure speculation on your part. This will be the first full-scale test of it that I'm aware of in a Section 6. And we'll not be privy to what was said in any meetings, or what Moak's actions were.
Absolutely incorrect. The ALPA president MUST insert himself in the process if our regional competitors don't agree with what we want to put into OUR scope opener. And we will never know what Moak's influence was. It's all secret.
Carl
Show the wording and an instance of its use. You are incorrect in your "assessment" of Ford/Cooksey.
Or is that "all secret" too.
Seriously Carl, EVERYONE here wants much tighter scope, and is willing to go to the mat for it. We just HAVE to make sure that the effort is pointed at the REAL problem, not some "smoking man" shadow that is controlling the world in secret meetings.
The REALITY is that NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE, has the ability to negotiate Scope and "permitted flying" except the pilots of Delta Air Lines.
You have still yet to convince me how ALPA has benefitted from more RJ flying at Delta.
Mainline DAL = little increase in "smaller" mainline equipment
Comair ALPA = Shrinking to oblivion
ASA ALPA = Talking Furloughs and losing some CR7/9s
PNCL/MES ALPA = lost all SAAB flying
SkyWest NON UNION = Continual incremental growth
RAH Teamsters = Massive gains in DCI flying over the past Decade
GoJet Scab/Teamsters = new deal for 12 of ASA's CR7/9's
So tell me again how ALPA has been helped by poor mainline scope?
How have DCI ALPA pilots benefitted from this "secret language"?
In my opinion:
1. NWA went on strike and still didn't lock down scope.
2. DAL came within 48 hours of a strike to get C2K and didn't lock down scope.
(Why?
Because pay trumped protecting the flying, and guys who were voting didn't place a premium on scope. FINALLY guys see the light, and I pity the NC/MEC who doesn't recognize it.)
3. ALPA will benefit by MORE mainline, NOT by continuing to allow lots of "permitted flying" to continue.