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Old 12-19-2011 | 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by xjtguy
I think what the guy were quoting was getting at was the asinine way that stall "recovery" is/was taught........
As opposed to what SHOULD be done. Lower the nose right away like is taught in primary training, even if it means an initial loss of altitude to recover airspeed.
Yes, I knew what mike was driving at. Airliners typically have about a 0.25-0.30 to 1 thrust to weight ratio. I was just highlighting that even at the ridiculous end of the T:W ratio scale (1:1 or 1.2:1), you still need to do the basics that you have stated above.

As Atlas said:

Who the hell approaches to a stall anyway?
Part of the problem is the training scenarios are unrealistic. They should be practiced three ways:

1. Normal approach, distraction, inadvertantly get slow, and actually get in a stall. (Colgan 3407). Sim set-up would be so that when you come off-freeze, you are in the shaker.

2. Same as above, but engine-out!

3. Turbulence/upset/unusual attitude at high-altitude, low-speed, and trimmed very nose-up (ie, it would take considerable nose-down force to recover).
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