Originally Posted by
buddies8
let me put my spin.
the 824 are not guaranteed anything in front of a BK judge. First AA and APA are on record as being against that arbitrators award. The Pref hiring maybe, maybe not that the MEC got for the AE pilots so the MEC can waive our contractual right s to the aircraft transfered to AA aint going to happen, gone in BK. OH by the way, our previous scope would have had all pilots on the AA seniority list now since all aircraft are owned by AA now. Our MEC gave that away for a maybe. Sorry only 240 numbered AE pilots left that have contractual rights, and that can be taken away in BK. NO MOVEMENT. Company made sure it will happen this way.
As a mainline pilot who has a pension that guarantees him/her after BK and average 50,000 per year annuity. I fly a medium size mainline aircraft and make 155,000 per year. I am 60, and you think I am going to give up an additional 450,000 dollar because I dont have enough sick time, vacation accrued to add to the 18 days off a monht and skate the last 5 years.
People are living in a dream world that the senior person is going to retire to make you happy. That senior pilot works for him/herself not for you. . Oh did you know Canada is making mandatory retirement illegal and so is the European union. Can you say 70.
Not sure where you get your information from.
The 824 plus those with numbers are part of an arbitrated agreement. That can NOT be tossed out without a seperate hearing and filing. That would require the current BK judge to step all over the previous judge who awarded the agreement in the first place. Not going to happen, especially since the flow-throughs don't cost anything.
The "everybody on property by Oct 11th" flow through is the only thing not protected. Again, it doesn't cost AMR anything to keep it but it is not covered. The other flow throughs are.
How much will AA shrink? That is the variable which will determin
when as opposed to
if the Eagle captains flow. Airbus and Boeing already loaned/financed AMR's purchase of the new A320s and 737s. Given the timing of that purchase and the bankrupcy it is safe to say that Airbus & Boeing were aware of what was going on. In other words, the purchase of those aircraft has no bearing on this BK. No aircraft will arrive until we emerge from this BK...that much is certain. But they will arrive, probably beginning sometime in 2013.
Regarding slashing the age 65 rule: Canada and Europe also have universal health care and guranteed 4 weeks of vacation per year plus a "13th" extra month's salary at the end of each year. I don't see anyone of those things happening here in the U.S. anytime soon. So don't use the argument that just because they are doing it means we will too.