Personally, I think some of these old DAL pilots are too far out of touch with what has happened around them. "SWA pilots make more than us? No way!" ... I've heard that exact comment a couple of times when I've talked to my captains about it. Some actually down right didn't believe me.

I think there is systemic denial going on. And of course, I believe some are being paid off by management.

But I can tell you that most of the guys I have flown with are wanting a BIG increase in pay (more than I asked for in the survey). Many of them mentioned scope too. So with that, I feel somewhat positive going forward.