Originally Posted by
3stripes
I've been at XJT since June last year. This month is the first month I've held any kind of line. I was awarded a relief line, which is made up of all the crap nobody else really wants. I was initially awarded three 4 days and two 3 days with a total line value of 78 hours. Using our system and the SLIW I managed to trade that to a 101 hour line with just two four days, a three day, a two day and a couple of day trips. I now have three weekends off this month too. This month there were 51 relief lines in my base and I was awarded number 45. So I am about as close to the bottom of the line holders as you can get and I still get the schedule I want with our system. Thus I am a big fan of our system, and I'd like to keep it.
I have also flown under PBS at a previous airline. What many XJT guys fail to understand is that it is the contract language that controls the schedules, not the system used to award the bids. HOWEVER, with PBS I used to find that generally what you were awarded was what you were stuck with, and it was often very hit and miss.
Under ASA PBS you would have had the schedule you ended up with at the start without doing all the line improvement exercises. PBS also requires less reserves due to scheduling more efficiently, so you would have more line-holders than 6 under you.
Originally Posted by
DENpilot
I doubt that. Unless you like working non-commutable, 15 hour, 4 days, over the weekend... I doubt it.
A bottom of the barrel line holder in PBS will have NO choice in what they get because they are bottom of the barrel. They get scraps and the only opportunity to change it is when someone drops a trip for a sick call.
In our line bidding system, a bottom of the barrel line holder will get the opportunity in the ILIW to swap his trips for all the trips that were dropped as a result of month to month conflicts, training, vacation, etc. Which ends up being A LOT of open time to choose from.
I am an early 2011 hire and with the ILIW I get what I want... this month it is 18 days off and nearly 90 hours.
A bottom of the barrel PBS line-holder would be on RESERVE under the XJT line bidding system....
Originally Posted by
TopNotch
I'm surprised ASA isn't furloughing, considering ALPA signed away our 2007 contract, and is allowing 129 (ASA and XJT) aircraft to transition to Skywest.
But hey, at least you can interview for a position there.
Only aircraft I know that possibly could be transferred are the 6 former Delta/ASA CR2s. How you did you come up with 129?
Originally Posted by
hc0fitted
There are actually idiots out there that brag about flying a 90 seat RJ for 30 something dollars a hour ? lol
90 seat RJ but only limited to 76 seats. Also, majority of FOs on the 700/900 are senior thus making in the mid 40s an hour. Pay is still nothing to brag about but the lifestyle(stage lengths, legs to credit ratio, overnights, free business class meal most of time) on the 700/900 is far superior to ASA's 200 flying. A little more money for less work.
Bottom line is that not everyone gets everything they want in either system. But in XJT's line bidding system, thee most junior person has the opportunity to improve their schedule by trading for day trips, getting an extra day off, moving a trip, getting a better overnight, increasing commutability, getting more efficient trips, getting more pay, etc from the trips that are dropped by the senior line holders because of conflicts due to transition, vacation, training, FAR and contractual violations, etc.
As for less reserves, that is also true of captains and therefore less need for captains and therefore longer time to upgrade. But yeah, you get to be an FO lineholder longer as the trade off.
Lastly, I think he was talking about the aircraft protection clause in the T&PA. Although I'd have to go back and look how that interacts with current CPA aircraft essentially being protected.