Well management's reason for the 5% from pilot pay is to supposedly save $8 million a year. So for a billion dollar holding company, they actually need $8 million in order to avoid bankruptcy?? I believe everybody sentiments, at least in the crew rooms, is to vote no to this, if it ever comes down to a vote. They're biggest hurdle to the loss of quarter numbers as of late, is the cost of the integrated seniority list and all the retraining that has to be accomplished. There are so many ways management can tackle this issue without having to resort to chap. 11 scare tactics, "take pay cuts, or we may seize operation" But I suppose if they didn't resort to scare tactics they wont feel like a real airline management.