Well the 16 900's were not a bad idea with hopes of building on those. Granted they should have been leased from DL instead of being bought by us. As far as the Q's go, well that illegal purchase of Colgan should have never occurred, but the crook, PT and his 40 thieves set us up for failure with the purchase of Colgan. I have nothing against the Colgan pilot group, they are fellow pilots and brothers and sisters of the regional community, and all the courts could say when we took them to court, was "naughty naughty Phill you should have never made that purchase without notifying the union" but we got stuck with the props. Instead of that purchase, they could have purchased Mesaba and Compass. BTW, not only did PT get a nice package but he still gets consulting fees, now that is the kick in the forth point of contact. So instead of asking for the 5% from us, cut his consulting fees. We just need to really stick together as a whole pilot group, Pinnacle Colgan and Mesaba in true UNITY fashion and call managements bluff. After all if it's not bluff then we would be heading chap. 11 anyway, and if not then we would have stood in solidarity, ooooh is that a socialist term