Originally Posted by
Andy
I've been monitoring retirements at United since the new limit was enacted. There have been an average of less than 2 per month since it started. The latest System Schedule Committee report shows 2 retirements in November. Prior to the age change, we were seeing ~25 retirements/month.
I'll be happy to dig through the reports and post the exact retirement numbers for United over the last two years if you do the same, including airline and monthly numbers. You never stated the airline for the 163 retirements. I'm assuming that you're only referring to Delta numbers since that's where you're employed. If you've added AMR numbers into that tally, I've got some 'news' for you about a special circustance that caused the numbers to spike.
Originally Posted by
Andy
... I'm still waiting to read details from Johnso29 on these 163 retirements at Delta.
Originally Posted by
Andy
600? Really? How many have you had retire in the last year? Month by month?
The early buyout took out 215 in 2009.
215 pilots take Delta buyout offers | ajc.com
Were there other external factors for the other 375 retirements?
Edit: You posted that there was another early retirement package which took out another 163 while I was posting. So that accounts for all but 200.
Originally Posted by
Andy
Thanks. That confirms 'special circumstances'. Johnso29 tried to sell the retirements as pilots who chose to benevolently retire before reaching age 65. He failed to mention incentive packages for those retiring 'early'.
Originally Posted by
Andy
Shack! That was my point. Both Johnso29 and 80ktsClamp chose to leave out some pertinent details regarding retirements at Delta. You also pointed out some reasons for fNWA pilots to retire prior to 65 (I was aware that there were some financial issues that would benefit some fNWA pilots to retire prior to 65).
It's akin to pointing to AMR's retirements in the second half of 2011 and saying, 'see, many pilots are retiring prior to reaching 65'.
Given a choice, many (most) pilots would like to keep drawing paychecks until the day they die while crossing 40W. Safety be damned.
You seem to be in denial about DAL pilots retiring early Andy. The mandatory retirement age is 65 years. All the numbers provided are of pilots who retired before 65 years. Those are early retirements. The fact that an incentive package was provided to some is irrelevant. Those pilots still chose to leave before the mandatory retirement age. Many left before the Age of 61 & will be responsible for the cost of their own health care. I know 2 pilots who were 56 years old when they left just in 2011.
And I never implied that those who retired early did so for the good of the pilot group. I never said it was a charity move. Quit grasping at straws. I'm sorry your career has been masked by furloughs. It's a terrible situation that I could never wish upon anyone. But just because early retirements aren't happening at UAL, doesn't mean they aren't happening at DAL.