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Old 01-26-2012 | 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The two contracts were carefully compared by both committees. The average total hours paid under each contract during the 3 years prior to the merger were within .5 hours of each other with the Delta contract slightly higher. You can ask the people involved at NW for the exact numbers Carl.
Yes NW had some aspects that produced increases Delta did not have. However Delta had a bunch of aspects to their contract NW did not have. Examples include a higher reserve guarantee for NW. However that was offset by reroute pay, reserve duty period lookback, additional pay for long call trips under 12 hours, pay on top of the guarantee for GS flying ect..
NW got limited pay above 80 hours at time and a half however it was not as posted often on all flying. There was a system that for practical purposes limited the hours depending on the caps. Delta paid double pay on all GS flying. In the end when everything was added up each contract produced essentially the same pay hours per month per pilot.
The Delta 1113 contract was however much shorter duration then the NW contract with higher rates. The much shorter duration of the Delta contract was a critical item. Carl claims he made more as a NW pilot but the facts don't support his case.
Premerger the NW pay rate on the 757 as a example was 142 dollars an hour. There were some small raise built into the NW contract so the rate today would be around 148 to 150. I don't have the exact numbers. The rate in effect today with the joint contract is 189 an hour or over 25 percent higher.
Carl was getting 177 an hour at the merger as a 747 Captain. He currently with international pay is getting 231.75 an hour. He is also getting a additional 1 percent a hour into retirement which will jump to 14 percent in 11 months or an additional 32 dollars an hour if Carl was a 0 percenter in the NW matrix. That would bring his total raise on 1 Jan 13 to 87 dollars an hour. With the raises in the NW contract he will still be 80 dollars an hour ahead.
Interesting, I thought I read that we just adopted a "mature contract" when I was reading the voting material. In other words, this is the first I read of any analysis vs taking one contract and running with it.

It's good that it was modeled and I believe what you've got up there for comparisons but I also agree with Carl that it was just last year that I broke even $$ wise and I've got the tax returns to prove it.

NOW, and before you beat me up......THE THING THAT IS GOOD ABOUT THE JOINT CONTRACT is that it recovered some duty period credits and rigs we had lost in BK. So, my 14 Asia trip went back down to 12....a very good thing.

But, that said, the Asia trips were built to over 80 so time and a half out of the gate and when I flew domestically I had a minimum day. I don't know for sure, but I think those are maybe the differences.

Overall, this is a BS discussion as they were both BS bankruptcy contracts.

JMHO,
Ferd