Originally Posted by
tsquare
Ahhh the old doughnut threat again.. No definition of anything and a hollow threat about what some will do.

What are big gains? What is a weak offer? Stop beating your chest and answer the question.
Significant pay gains--at least 20% the first year, work rule changes like min day EVERY day on the trip (5:15 min), better reserve rules (min pay 75 hours for reserve, maybe more like 78 for short call only, etc), tightening of SCOPE (JVs, RJs), and adding to the DC fund, better sick leave, etc. You know the deal, yet you want me to spell it out for you. The key here is that 4000+ have signed the card already to be a donut, and ALPA gets 6500 or so to do the Contract survey. They don't know if any of those 6500 or so are donut wannabees, so they have to be careful because if only another 2500 or so are needed to force a vote and maybe ALPA could lose $35 million a year in dues, it could be catastrophic for the union itself, so they had better try to make everyone happy. This is turning out to be wonderful, because not only is the company finally profitable now, but ALPA gets a friendly bump from the donuts, who could take away a lot of DOUGH from their coffers if they don't get this right. And we also know the company likes DALPA, so they get to feel some heat too. It's all good. SHOW US A GREAT CONTRACT DALPA OR MOVE OVER.
A weak offer lacks the above, or significant gains in all areas. We are still on a BK contract, and that needs to change NOW, not in the next 2 contracts. We had leverage during the joint contract, yet we left a lot on the table. Wall Street wanted to see everyone get along, and we did, but still didin't get many gains. We were "promised" by ALPA that the $2 billion in synergies would be used to get us a better contract someday, but the company has been using that to pay off debt instead. That is great, but it's time for us to get a large portion of that. No managing of my expectations. Every great quarter with great headlines means we should be closer to restoring a lot of our old contract. It's the cost of doing business, and ALPA needs to push for all of it.
Good enough? Why don't you answer this question: What type of gains do you expect to see? (in all areas) No half answers, please.