Originally Posted by
EWRflyr
Sorry, but you can't even compare the two since the unknown is what the arbitrator would have decided in regards to monetary penalty should he have sided with CALALPA.
Certainly you are not going to argue that there was even the slightest possibility that the sale of a few 767-200's would harm the CAL pilots to the tune of $8500/pilot? That is so void of rational thought that only the inexperienced would remotely accept that as a possibility.
Originally Posted by
EWRflyr
"J Pos"? Really? How childish. I see all this dumped on Jay, but he takes direction from the MEC and can't make those decisions without their approval. Yet, I see not one complaint about our MEC on here. I'm not saying there should be either, but trying to figure out the logic of dumping everything on a guy who basically does as the MEC instructs him to do.
Yes, J Pos received instructions from the CAL mec, and he rightfully attempted to gain profit sharing within the confines of the TPA. Your MEC was well within their right to seek benefits for the CAL pilots. You are not going to find many UAL pilots who don't think you should get $40 million. The issue arises when there is a belief the status quo was violated at the hand of UCH management vis a vis J Pos.
Originally Posted by
EWRflyr
Along those lines, why is your pilot group not calling out Wendy and your MEC for their complete and utter disaster in handling the T&PA extension talks? Agreements to approach it one way and then at the last minute put extra requirements in it? CAL pay rates? Extra money equal to CAL pilot profit sharing? Things that were outside the original T&PA to begin with.
So it's okay to renew a TPA giving CAL pilots profit sharing. A TPA that currently does not include profit sharing for CAL pilots. But it is not okay to ask for a monetary gain for the UAL pilots. A financial benefit which is not currently included for the UAL pilots. It's called status quo.
Originally Posted by
EWRflyr
You may have an issue with the process, but the process involved both sides and only had the outcome it did when unrealistic demands by the UAL pilots were presented to management. Of course they were going to say "no" going forward. But it would have been nice in unity if the UAL pilots had given up their PS to keep us on equal footing, right? Didn't think so.
Unrealistic demands presented to management? They are called opening requests. Negotiations usually ensue. Amazing how quick it was for UCH management to walk away, only to return to J Pos to craft a nifty little side deal.
Profit sharing was a negotiated benefit for the UAL to partially offset the pay losses we incurred in bankruptcy. Yes, you incurred a pay cut as well, but not like the haircut we took. You make how much more than us? Right.