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Old 02-17-2012 | 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
How do you know this?
I know this because the only thing that's been in writing thus far is the Council 20 chairman saying: "...and of course we will not be releasing the opener. That would be like showing your hand in poker." There has been NOTHING from the MEC to counter that statement.

Originally Posted by tsquare
You gonna eat crow if it DOES get released? OR are you gonna find something else to be critical and divisive to cry about? Nevermind, I know the answer to that.
I won't need to eat crow because it's not MY statement. It is the statement of the Council 20 chairman and the MEC has said NOTHING else to the contrary. If the MEC ultimately decides to share the opener after it's exchanged with management, that's great. It has always been that way. But this time will be different. Of course, not even the company will be able to see our opener until after the meet and confer sessions with the MEC's of our RJ competitors. Wonder when that meeting will be? Wonder what will be said?

Originally Posted by tsquare
And one more thing... What if the opener that DOES get released isn't what Carl thinks is sufficient? Buuuuut, it represents the desires of the pilot group..
How would any of us know what the desires of the pilot group are? DALPA will never release those survey results.

Originally Posted by tsquare
We all know that you think the whale should only work on sunny Wednesdays and pay $1000/hour, but what if the pilot group said.. in the surveys.. that the whale and the 7ER should pay the same? (Read banded payrates)?
You know nothing about me. I'm fine with pay banding. We already have it. The B747 is 250,000 pounds heavier than a B777 but the pay is the same at Delta. If we get more pay banding, it's just more of what we aleady have.

Originally Posted by tsquare
You might get to see the opener, but you have little idea of what goes into that opener too.
I don't have "little" idea what goes into the opener, I have NO idea what goes into it. None of us do, because DALPA will never release any portion of those survey results.

Originally Posted by tsquare
So maybe the surveys SHOULD be released.. what would say if they are, and you don't have as much leverage as you think?
Then it is what it is. I'm not afraid of the truth, DALPA is.

Carl