Thanks ALPA for managing our expectations. DL has financials that are a lot better than all of those, for the last 3 years. Bag fees last year were over $900 million, and that is a new fee that goes straight to the bottom line without being taxed like a ticket. Southwest has NOT asked for paycuts from their people, and they were going to give the Airtran pilots the same rates but the MEC there pushed a bit too hard for the SLI, but the offer was there in offer #1. You can stick your head in the sand and not see how well the airline is doing, or you can compare ourselves to airlines that just don't have the same pricing power, etc. You also are forgetting that we are aiming to bring the debt down to $10 billion (from 18 Billion) by 2013, which will then give us an EXTRA $500 million per year that now won't be paid in interest payments. Can we have part of that? You say NO, because you didn't really think about that, or chose not to even include that in YOUR reality. How about a 10-15% raise the first year, and then after the debt is paid down maybe larger chunks the next few? Can you possibly think about that? Are you management or ALPA? If you are ALPA and IGNORE reality, you will be replaced! Just try giving a weak TA, and see what happens.