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Old 02-19-2012 | 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Xray678
Ouch, low blow!

Seriously, should I stick my head in the sand and ignore reality? SW rates would require, what, a 30-40% raise? Do you really think that is going to happen right now. AA in BK, SW saying their costs are too high, UAL, US and other airlines well below our current rates, and you think we will get a TA with a 30-40% raise?

Originally Posted by Elvis90
Do you think a majority of Delta pilots will vote yes to a TA that's status quo at 5% a year? I think the secretive contract survey results will likely show an average of 30% for a yes vote. Does the company really want an unresolved labor dispute to go on for months or years? I think not. And it's been stated by many others here that contract jobs overseas may become more appealing if the propsed contract is weak. If the company can raise fares to account for billions in year over year fuel price increases, they could cover the $470M or so it would cost for a 30% pilot pay increase.
Let us do some simple yet liberal math and understand the economies of scale here at Delta... Delta operates 800,000+ flights annually (not counting DCI).


$35,000 /yr raise
x12,000 pilots 1
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$420,000,000
/800,000 flts per year 2
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$525 per flight
/ 75 1st seats sold 3
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$7.00 a ticket on 1st 75 seats sold to cover the pay increase 4
  1. 12,000 is more than the acuatlly number that would get the raise. (driving the cost lower)
  2. 800,000 does not including the DCI flights. (driving the cost lower)
  3. Delta has 710 aircraft with an averaged seat count of 174 seats. So with 80+% load factors Delta could easly spread that cost out over even more seats. (driving the cost lower)
  4. Without even including DCI in ticket sales cost can be spread out further:
  • $52.5 on 1st 10 seats sold,
  • $10 on 1st 53 seats sold,
  • $5.25 per ticket on 1st 100 seats sold,
  • $4.20 on 1st 120 seats sold, the more sold the lower and lower the cost.
These numbers are higher than the real cost when you add in DCI tickets, and real number of pilots on the payroll. Cargo and other ancillary revenue could also drive this cost even lower.

Delta Air Lines can afford a big pay raise, and ALPA needs to be communicating this type of info to its membership!!!

Last edited by BigGuns; 02-19-2012 at 09:07 PM.